I was shocked any asked why she thought that. Dianes family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book. Or that they are not even curious about it. They were put in an impossible situation. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. Anything less is a conflict of interest. 2. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Hysteria. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. No OTHER reason. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. She was not in the car when her children were shot. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. But I am realistic. No matter how horrible people think she is. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. 1. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. What?? She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. No one bothered with these details so I did. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? You said yourself that the title was revealing. Shes where she belongs. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. So Mark, where are you from? The popular TV movie Small Sacrifices was based on Ann Rules book and it painted a horrid picture of the mother accused of shooting her children on Old Mohawk Road. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. She had not fired a gun. Mission accomplished. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. What a terrible injustice. Anyways. I dont know the woman. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, Why did the mean man shoot me? and it would be written down in the daily notes. This does not make her innocent. Right?? Something that would never stand in court now. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. is this a reason??? 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. Makes no difference to me. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. Wrong. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. I look forward to reading your other blogs. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). Thanks for posting for readers. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. . Nobody near to help. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. It probably makes you feel so good. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. But I am more than willing to review any new info. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. But you are right to say that it is my site. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. That says it all. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. They rarely get a break. (that one is more of a question). In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? The unicorn, the song, her personality. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. Mr. Regina, I love your comment! Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. And I care about the lack of evidence. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. Again I go back to how times were back then. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. They felt safe there. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. That is pure bullshit. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) What was the rationale behind this? I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. Diane was right-handed. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Lise,,,,, yes you did. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? In a perfect world this would always be the case. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. why didn't steve downs get custody. I do not post rude comments. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). Dianes story does not contradict that. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. She has come a long way. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. I feel sorry for Diane too. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. Thank you Lise. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. I am glad that some articles remain. It is also very is to clean. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. Except for Paul Cortez. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. I am just curious. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. I was being sarcastic. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. Up. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. I will post it when I get it. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? 6. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. View theaffidavits. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. 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